Grateful Dead 08/27/72 SBD> 16 Track Master Reels> DAT@44.1K> DAT> DAT> WAV> SHN; see info file for details, fixes and flaw notes; note most banter edited out; Reel>DAT transfer by Dick Latvala; DAT clone supplied by Rob Eaton; DAT>SHN by Jamie Lutch; <a href= "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dankseeds/files/gd72-08-27/">QC</a> courtesy <a href= "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dankseeds/">dankseeds</a>

Grateful Dead 08/27/72
Old Renaissance Faire Grounds, Veneta, OR

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Source #	4682
Entered by	dr.unclear
Checksums	shn-md5 , st5
Disc Counts	0 / 3
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Date Circulated Date Added	7/3/01 07/25/2001

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SBD> 16 Track Master Reels> DAT@44.1K> DAT> DAT> WAV> SHN; see info file for details, fixes and flaw notes; note most banter edited out; Reel>DAT transfer by Dick Latvala; DAT clone supplied by Rob Eaton; DAT>SHN by Jamie Lutch; QC courtesy dankseeds

            Grateful Dead

August 27, 1972

Old Renaissance Faire Grounds

Veneta, OR

Benefit for Springfield Creamery

Disc 1 			47:55

	-Set I-

1. Promised Land	03:06

2. Sugaree		07:13

3. Me & My Uncle	03:04

4. Deal			04:41

5. Black Throated Wind	06:31

6. China Cat Sunflower>	07:56

7. I Know You Rider	06:02

8. Mexicali Blues	03:35

9. Bertha		05:44

Disc 2 			50:18

	-Set II-

1. Playin		18:40

2. He's Gone		08:49

3. Jack Straw		04:59

4. Bird Song		12:19

5. Greatest Story	05:33

Disc 3 			65:57

	-Set III-

1. Dark Star>		31:26

2. El Paso		04:39

3. Sing Me Back Home	10:29

4. Sugar Magnolia	08:33

5. E1: Casey Jones	06:08

6. E2: Saturday Night	04:41

Source: 

SBD>16 Track Master Reels>DAT@44.1K>DAT>DAT>WAV>SHN

DAT>WAV via Sony SDT-9000 DDS drive using VDAT 0.6f (see error logs below)

WAV was edited in Soundforge 4.0 (crossfading of reel cuts between songs, no music was disturbed except for Sugar Magnolia)

WAV>SHN via CDWAV 1.53>MKW 0.97b

The songs from the reels were originally edited down to DAT very tightly, almost no banter is present in this version.

Known Flaws: the first few notes of Sugar Magnolia were missing and were patched in from the circulating Gans CD source.

The following spots were edited using pencil tool in Soundforge (small bits of analog static removed):

d1t1, 2:18 - left channel click - smoothed, still slightly audible

d1t1, 2:20-2:23 - left channel static - smoothed, still slightly audible

d1t06, 2:12 - pop - fixed

d2t01, 14:28 - right channel crackle - fixed

d2t05, 3:37 - right channel click - fixed

d2t05, 4:13 right channel click - fixed

d2t05, 04:18 - right channel static - smoothed, still audible

d2t05, 04:45 - right channel static - fixed

d2t05, 04:00-05:00 - some other static, smoothed, but still audible

d2t05, 5:05 - right channel click- still slightly audible

d3t01, 0:28 - two right channel clicks - fixed

d3t01, 0:38 - right channel click - fixed

d3t01, 8:06, 8:11 - right channel crackles - fixed

d3t01, 26:29 - right channel click - fixed

There are a few other minor analog anomalies that were left alone:

d1t01, 2:02 click in right channel

d1t01, 2:26 slight pop

d1t07, 3:48 click

d2t01, 6:00 faint click

d2t04, 10:12 pop

d2t05, 3:36 click

d2t05, 3:42 click

d3t01, 28:24 click

d3t04, 5:10-7:50 intermittent analog buzzing in right channel

There's probably some more to be found, however, all are quite minor

Reel>DAT transfer by Dick Latvala

DAT clone supplied by Rob Eaton, 6/2001

DAT>SHN by Jamie Lutch, 6/2001

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DAT transfer error logs:

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each of the two source dats were extracted twice and compared using EAC's wav compare feature

DAT1:

wav 1: 117 missing samples 0:27:21.540

wav 2: 0:00:00.003 longer

(wav 2 used for this shn archive, extraneous samples at 27:21.540 deleted, not audible)

DAT2:

wav 1: 363 missing samples 0:58:45.741

wav 2: 363 missing samples 0:30:15.591

(wav 1 used for this shn archive, questionable spot at 58:45 was checked, no audible errors exist)

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____________________________________________________________________________

*Dankseed Certification received 01-07-03*

and posted at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dankseeds/files/gd72-08-27/

Listening test performed by *5* danksters

positive criteria met:

Tracking- OK

Seamless and complete- OK

Lineage listed- OK

negative criteria met:

DAE- NO

Resampled- NO

Diginoise- NO

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Other Sources (comments) SBD MR> DAT> CDR> EAC> SHN;... (6) SBD Master Betty reel > PCM... (3) SBD-> two-track MR-> DAT->... (1) SBD > 4-TRACK RTR @ 7.5... (14) SBD> 16 Track Master Reels>... (4) Bertha Remaster of the... (12)
09/03/2001	jim	How does this copy compare quality-wise to the version at gdlive.com? Can someone help me with this?
09/04/2001	atrambler	the 8-27-72 on gdlive.com includes opening comments and band introductions on cd 1 that is not included on nycheads 8-27-72. Its worth getting from gdlive.com to get this b/c you hear phil saying "this is where we get off the best!" sound quality wise they are very close.
09/05/2001	Hamilton, Greg & Diana	For the record, the one currently at gdlive.com (there have been different ones up in the past) is shnid 2199. My favorite bit of chat is the the saga of the water truck. :)
03/18/2002	bec.	While this version does contain close to no stage banter at all, sound-wise this is MUCH more enjoyable than the gdlive version. Both come from the same master tapes, but the mastering process on this version is superior. Vocals are back upfront, the instruments are crystal clear and balanced.
08/11/2002	appalled	uh, where did you get the idea that the gdlive version is the same source as this? Please read the text files, folks. The reason there is no banter is because this version is from 16-track masters. The gdlive version IS NOT!!!
08/11/2002	bec	There are several SBDs from one show? That's surprising. I thought the banter was edited out at the RR > DAT transfer.
08/11/2002	appalled	There are at least three masters from this night: 1) The Betty Cantor-Jackson reels 2) The Sunshine Daydream video soundtrack reels and 3) The 16-track masters.
03/10/2003	Brian	To set the record straight for all the sceptics out there and everyone else: This is the BEST seed that is available now, yea it's a shame that there is no banter, but the sound quality is leaps and bounds better than any other source. That's that!
03/10/2003	Diana	Hmm, if you have to qualify a seed with it being a "shame" that something is missing from it that is on another copy, it's hard to argue that it's at the top of the heap. "Best" IMO would be to have "the" primo sound quality version, flaw free, and with famous banter to boot. :) Somebody nudge me when all 3 of those conditions are met.
03/12/2003	Brian	Let me clarify my original statement. This is the best sounding seed to date with the clearest, non-distorted discernment of instrument levels, vocal levels and all around mix. The loss of banter to me is no loss, because with a little thinking it is very possible to add the banter tracks from the alternate sources and combine them in the correct places to create a full show. If one has not heard this version than I would reccomend finding it, listening to it coming up with their own conclusions, but a dollar says you'll agree with me.
03/14/2003	Diana	Inherent in the term "seed" is that some generous, competent contributor has done the necessary digital prep work (patches etc) for general traders/listeners. Anyone care to reseed under Brian's suggestions? Thanks if so! ;)
05/10/2003	dms	this show fits on 2 SHN discs
05/10/2003	Chuck Frolio	This version combines the "dank" source listed here and with the between-song banter from the Sonic Solutions version. Most tracks, unfortunately, have sector boundary errors.
12/21/2005	A Dude	My question - if this is from 16 Track Master Reels, then who mixed them down to 2 tracks ? Dick ? Also, if the other 2 sources are a Betty 2 track, and a Sunshine Daydream 2 track, then do these come from two different soundboards on site ? Or are they both from the same soundboard output (in which case the only differences should be the quality of the recorders used and the tape used) ?
12/21/2005	Charlie Miller	I think it was mixed by Dan Healy...cm
12/21/2007	A_Dude	I think it unlikely that Dan Healy could do this poor a mix. The drums and lead vocals are way too high, somewhat drowning out the rest of the instruments. (In contrast, the Serafin version (8045) has a good mix, you can hear the guitars, bass and piano much more clearly.