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Grateful Dead 02/12/70
Ungano's Night Club, New York, NY

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SBD > 2-track RTR @ 15 i.p.s. > PCM > ? > D > SSSB; EAC (High, Secure) > WAV > SHNv3 by Patrick Murphy, from Jay Serafin seed discs; see Jay's extensive notes; note could really be 2/13/70 early show- see discussion in pub comments

            Grateful Dead

February 12, 1970

Ungano's Night Club

New York, NY

Source: SBD > 2-track RTR @ 15 i.p.s. > PCM > ? > D > SSSB

Thanks to Jay Serafin for the disks!

Audio Rating:     AR-2

Any/all editing, fades, NR, hiss elimination, phase shifting/"time smear" correction, jitter elimination, and +/-2 dB max. EQ were performed using 100% digital-only processing (24-bit/96 kHz data stream) at Serafin Station Studio B

EAC (High, Secure) > WAV > SHNv3 by Patrick Murphy

Disk 1 	[56:18]

1. Cold Rain & Snow 			[5:30]

2. Beat It On Down The Line (5 beats) 	[2:43]

3. Good Lovin'-> 			[1:46]

4. Drums-> 				[2:06]

5. Good Lovin' 				[5:00]

6. Mama Tried-> 			[2:38]

7. Black Peter 				[9:12]

8. Hard To Handle 			[6:37]

9. Saint Stephen-> 			[6:50]

10.Not Fade Away 			[9:07]

11.Casey Jones 				[4:49]

>From Jay Serafin:

All of the information about this show was obtained/confirmed by my Marin County source. This person is as close to being "inside the organization itself" as anyone can be, and this person has NEVER given me bad or erroneous information for the past 5 years!

And what a show this is, too! It was actually an unannounced impromptu show in the middle of the Dead's Fillmore East run. The venue only held approximately 500 people, and it was a first-come, first-served show. Most of the seats were removed to allow some additional "SRO" concertgoers. The NYC Fire Department was on hand to enforce the "maximum number of patrons"

restrictions, just to play it safe.

"We" were lucky that the Dead's audio people brought along one of the spare 2-track RTR decks. "We" were also lucky from the standpoint of having a 95% hiss-free recording to begin with, as the deck was running at twice the normal "regular show" taping speed. This translates into lower levels of analog tape hiss, as well as having more high frequency recording

capabilities. This show, for being set up in a hurry, was very well mixed. Jerry and Bobby each had their own channel for their guitars, and listening to how well Weir blended into the entire mix is very well "documented" with this recording. About the only negative I can say about this show's audio quality was that being in the small club, and most likely with the time frame the audio people had to set up, the drums are just a little buried in the mix, especially the cymbals. But, you still are going to get blown away by the audio quality of the show.

DeadBase states a few things about this show that are inaccurate, such as "actual date and location unknown". This is not true, according to my source. This show did happen on this date at this venue.

Sadly, because of the license and insurance the night club held, the show only lasted a little over an hour an 30 minutes. There are no "breaks" or "tape flips", as the band simply was given a "signal" to cut a song off, so that the RTR could have a new tape put on. All the songs are complete and unedited. The only "exception" to this was my decision to cut off the very

opening 20 seconds of the first song, "Cold Rain & Snow", simply because of the fade-in of the copy I received wasn't right. Since the volume levels on the recording I received were very low, when I went to bring everything up to the correct level, the CR&S fade-in would have sounded pretty bad. I opted to just cut off the bare minimum of the opening riff to make things

sound "correct".

I guess the "topper" to this show, besides the fantastic sound, the good mix, and everything else, is that Phil was just going off into the ozone on a couple of the songs. He wasn't "way out there", but he definitely was trying to travel down that road that made him such an integral part of the "Sound Of The Dead". He's got some very good riffs going, especially during "Good Lovin'" and "Saint Stephen". Garcia and Weir were playing off each other, and you can tell they were in their groove this night. Sometimes it's subtle, sometimes it is quite noticeable, but they just "clicked".

The audience, although they weren't "recorded" for ambience, could be heard in the distance between songs, and you can tell that they definitely got their money's worth. I imagine the closeness, proximity-wise, along with the small-club atmosphere, is what brought out the best in everyone's playing for this show. I've seen my fair share of Dead shows over the 30 years they played, and I personally felt that they played their best when they were either being simulcast over the radio, or when they played smaller venues. I've been everywhere in the audience at shows, from the front row at the '94 Soldier Field show to the soundboard at the Rosemont, to back of the Fillmore West, to the front of the crowd at Loyola. Again, I felt the

smaller the venue, or any time they were on the FM dial, the shows were better, tighter yet looser, and definitely they seemed to have more fun on stage.

Sorry for going off on that little tangent there, but I felt that bit of info may make you deciding to get this show a little easier. I would recommend it to anyone, from a "newbie" to someone with 4,000 hours in their library. This is a pristine copy, and I think that everyone should have this as part of their collection.

Seeded by Patrick Murphy. Any flaws, questions, or comments write me at patrick_e_murphy@yahoo.com

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Other Sources (comments) SBD > 8 TRACK 1" RTR @ 7.5... (4)
11/14/2001	hanno	you guys are just joking, right? this is 2/13/70 early show, innit?
11/14/2001	Shiraz	I may be off track here, but I believe this infofile was created quite some time ago. At the time the info may have been considered plausible, but we know better today. Unfortunately this set pops up again & again with this erroneous date. Obviously this is the Early show from 02/13. Might as well get the Sonic Solutions version available here: http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=2208
11/19/2001	hanno	2/13/70 early became available around March 1999, this shn set is dated October 2001, go figure...
12/19/2001	PainoMan	Uh, excuse me, but according to Bear (at www.thebear.com) there were no early shows played during this run. Considering he was there and would know, I think he's right. However, he also states that the Dead did not play any other venues during this run also. The mystery continues...
12/20/2001		id like to think bear is right, but considering how my acid soaked brain from college remembers things ,it is also feasible that the bear (to friends it's bear, but to us it's mr stanley) might not have total recall cause i know he did way more acid than anyone ever. he is alice d. millionaire for a reason .....c'mon.
05/03/2002	Diana Hamilton	I've now put up an alternate listing for this shn set for those who want to list it as 2/13/70 instead.
05/05/2002	Dan K (Gr8fulDog)	I just downloaded this shn set and gave it a listen and then compared it to DP 4. Now I was not there -- my first show was not until 8 years later -- and I don't know, but I have to weigh in on the 02/13/70 show theory. The crowd noise between songs is just too "large hall" for me to believe that it is a small club. Unfortunately, this set does not seem to have any songs that also appear on DP 4 or Bear's Choice, so a direct comparison is not possible. According to DeadBase, some of the "late show" songs appear on DP 4 and to my ears the recording sounds like the same venue as this SHN set. Bear, who was there, says on his site that there was neither an early show nor a show on 02/12/70 (for Bear's version see http://www.thebear.org/albums.html#anchor753229) ... so go figure. Only thing I can say for sure that this is early Grateful Dead (Pig era) and sounds good. I'll list as 02/13/70, but who the hell knows... Wouldn't surprise me if this shn was just bits of all 3 Fillmore shows... FWIW & IMHO only
05/05/2002	Joe Jupille	It has been pretty convincingly established by the folks at Deadlists and others, triangulating multiple streams of evidence, that Bear is mistaken and that early and late shows took place during this run.
05/05/2002	Dan K (Gr8fulDog)	That is more plausible in my mind as it would be consistent with Graham's Fillmore East policy at the time, there has never (as far as I know) been real credible evidence that the Ungano's show happened (one day, after I hit lotto, I?ll stop by the NY Public Library and check out microfilm of the Village Voice) and would be consistent with the existence of early show recordings for 02/11 & 2/14 (despite their having some uncertainties as well). It is kind of fun to speculate anyhow.
09/12/2002	PainoMan	Why is it that people will give credence to the Deadlists sources, who can not produce any physical evidence of two shows performed during this run, and can not honestly say that they themselves taped this early show on their own equipment, but will not believe Bear, who was not only there, but set up the band's equipment, mixed the house, and recorded every note played? Has anybody who thinks this is an early show ever actually spoken with Bear about it? I have. This recording is neither an Ugano's show nor a 70-02-13 early show.
09/12/2002	PainoMan	Bear has updated his webpage concerning the ridiculous notion of two shows during this run. Read it at: http://www.thebear.org/albums.html#anchor753229
09/12/2002	Joe Jupille	Why is this notion ridiculous, because Bear claims it is? Here is a bit of the Deadlists back and forth about this, more assertion than fact to be sure. But in that thread, a) Tiedrich claims to have seen/held a program listing early/late shows, and b) Kenny Schachat claims to have attended a late show on 2/11/70. Here is a poster that clearly lists the GD 2/11, 2/13, and 2/14/70, "2 Shows Nightly". Here is an eyewitness account contradicting Bear who also offers an explanation as to why Bear might be mistaken. Bottom line: I wasn't there, I have never corresponded with Bear, and I suppose none of us will ever know beyond a shadow of a doubt, but the weight of the evidence that I have seen supports the two-show theory. YMMV.
09/12/2002	Joey Browning	Along with the crowd noise being consistant with a larger venue.The fact that it is rather short set,and they didnt jam out a few of the tunes,tells me that maybe there were time constraints.Like maybe they had to get ready for the 2nd set.If in fact this was an impromtu gig,would they have lugged their recording equipment?My guess its 2/13 early,one things for certain.It's a goot one!!
09/12/2002	drgseeds	The Boys absolutely played 2 shows each night on this run. My friend has dats of the master reels given to him by Dick of all three Fillmore shows. I remember he got these shows back in 1997. I asked why they weren't listed in DeadBase and he replied they hadn't heard about them but, Dick assured him the were labeled. He had early and late for all three nights and all had acoustic and two electric sets if I remember correctly. I will email him and see if this seed matches any of the early show lineups. Jay is not the most reliable source IMHO. I will also try and get coppes of the Dats and seed the to all the great people at etree. No offense to Bear but, I have met him and I think he is a little soft.
12/11/2002	Marmar	DO NOT spread the fixed versions...a few of us over on the forums are taking on the task of fixing all of his shows and re-distrobuting them as FLACS so the fixed copies will be easier kept track of...Please feel free to check it out at the forums: http://forums.etree.org/viewtopic.php?t=541
01/25/2003	Diana Hamilton	To clarify the situation for folks, a listener reports that this is indeed note-for-note the same show as that released by David Gans as 2/13/70 Early. Whatever the date, they are certainly recordings of the same show.
01/26/2003	Joey Browning	AMEN!!
05/16/2003	SirPaino	Sorry dgrseeds, but there is absolutely zero evidence, other than second hand, that supports the two-show myth. Even in the comments here there is nothing but hearsay. Tiedrich "claims" to have SEEN or HELD a program; Schachat "claims" to to have attended a late show; your friend "claims" he has dats given to him by Dick. Your friend my indeed have dats that Dick gave him and labeled as early and late shows from this run, but that doesn't mean that they actually ARE what they are labeled. In fact, since Dick was the one who started this myth, even if your friend did produce such dats, they don't hold any value in the way of verifiable evidence. Dick himself makes absolutely no mention of any early or late shows in his notebooks. (http://www.dicklatvala.com/notebooks.htm) Dick was not even in the building on those nights in 1970. Bear was. And unlike all of the many folks who did indeed attend the show and claim there were two shows, he wasn't just "there". It was his responsibility to set up, tear down the band's equipment and to record every note played. He was not some kid there to have a groovy time. No one has ever taken Bear up on his monetary offer (www.thebear.org) for proving two shows, and no one ever will. No one can produce any physical evidence such as a ticket stub or program that specifically states two shows for the Grateful Dead on those nights, because there was only one show played on each night. Please do your best to prove me wrong. I'll even put up my own $100 along with Bears offer.
06/05/2003	John	I just stumbled across this heated "debate", and I'm going to add my two pence to it all! I have to say that anything I've read by Mr. Bear shows that he still has full control of his mental faculties, "acid fried" or not, he still has a sharp mind and still can remember the details of the recording equipment he used at the time (just read the notes in DP Volume 4!) I think the fact that nobody has taken home the money from his early/late show challenge speaks volumes about all this talk. Bear deserves more respect than some have given him. Remember that without him or his tapes, we'd all be stuck listening to worse recordings of so many shows! Also, does it matter? This is a great show, lets be thankful it exists!!
06/06/2003	danlynch	My friend Bob insisted for years that the Deadbase lists for these dates were wrong, because he attended both early and late shows on the 13th and 14th. Bob still has all of his Fillmore programs and ticket stubs. I've seen them, and the documentary evidence is unquestionable. Tiedrich has also read the programs, and there are dozens of first-hand accounts of these shows available, three of which have been provided here. Dick, Steve Silberman, Gans, Jim Powell, and all of the deadlists people have researched this an infinitum. There is no question that early shows took place for both 2/13/70 and 2/14/70, and the tapes exist to prove it. Remember Bear is also the person who claims that all of the early 70's board tapes outside of his collection are frauds, and that the Dead never played songs such as "Cardboard Cowboy". No one has taken Bear up his "challenge" because frankly its a silly proposal. We don't want Bear's money, we just want the facts.
06/15/2003	danlynch	Well, what do we have here? A link to an early show ticket stub for 2/14/70: http://www.psilo.com/othersites/psilo/dead/showshow.php?sid=1726
06/15/2003	danlynch	>Please do your best to prove me wrong. I'll even put up >my own $100 along with Bears offer. SirPaino, my email is attached to this post. Email me for the address where you can send the hundred bucks.
06/15/2003	kingKeyes	The ticket stub itself does NOT indicate EARLY or LATE, there is only the editor's annotation that it is EARLY and clearly that is not "evidence". I read Bear's account and frankly it makes sense given there were 3 bands on the bill. IF that much is true how could they possibly do 2 shows a night with a 3 bands?
06/15/2003		Play all night?
06/15/2003	danlynch	Read a little closer. The ticket stub lists a time of 8 p.m. That's an early show. Fillmore early shows began at 8, and the late shows were at 11pm or midnight.
06/15/2003	KingKeyes	OK, and how about shows with 3 bands that did not have a late show, what was the start time for those shows?
06/15/2003		sigh around and around and around it goes. It boils down to whether you believe Bear and the "Marin County Source" on the one hand or lots of other people and considerable evidence on the other hand. Bear's recollection is said to be sound, but everyone else's recollections are castigated as "claims". A scan of the ad for the shows (you'll need to copy the URL and paste it into the address window manually), listing "2 shows nightly - 8 & 11:30" is called "boilerplate" and rejected as evidence. And so on and so on. Those who believe Bear will simply never be convinced. If they were open to it, the weight of the evidence would already have convinced them.
06/15/2003	jeff	Since this has gone too far already... During the 2-14-70 early show: Jerry mentions being in NY. Bob mentions ["the sound ain't like it was last night"] They play The Eleven without TC, so the date is almost surely Feb to Apr 1970, leaving about no chance for another NY date. If I'm not mistaken, Bear insists there were no early/late shows after 1969 at the Fillmore, and we're all but sure there were such shows on 1-2, 1-3, & 5-15-70. 15ips reels were used for all the early shows of Feb, just like the late shows As mentioned in the Compendium, the Dead started their late shows well, well after midnight, while we also have ticket stubs for 8:00 shows. Zacherle's intro for the 2-14-70 late show (billed for Sat night): "this is glorious Sunday morning" put this to rest.
06/15/2003	King Keyes	II would say that the link provided for the Fillmore Ad which at the bottom indicates both 8 & 11:30pm shows is proof positive that there were 2 shows nightly.
07/22/2003	SirPaino	>Jerry mentions being in NY. Bob mentions ["the sound ain't like it was last night"] >They play The Eleven without TC, so the date is almost surely Feb to Apr 1970, leaving about no chance for another NY date. Excellent line of thinking Jeff, the tapes themselves! Where did they come from? If Bear didn't record them, and John Chester and Alan Mande didn't record them (according to the Compendium, they were too busy with the set changes during the early show to worry about recording), who did? >and we're all but sure there were such shows on 1-2, 1-3, & 5-15-70. Are we? Again, investigate the sources. According to the Compendium, the early show for the 15th was found among reels recored by others. >15ips reels were used for all the early shows of Feb, just like the late shows Yeah, it says that in the text files. Must be accurate then. And even if 15 ips was used for both recordings, that doesn't prove they are from the same night. >As mentioned in the Compendium, the Dead started their late shows well, well after midnight, while we also have ticket stubs for 8:00 shows. Zacherle's intro for the 2-14-70 late show (billed for Sat night): "this is glorious Sunday morning" We ONLY have stubs for 8:00. This is because that's when the show was scheduled to start. There were three bands that night and The Grateful Dead did not take the stage until after midnight... Sunday morning. >put this to rest. Not until this slap in the face to man who deserves nothing less than our full gratitude and respect is paid for. King Eyes, it's funny that everyone sees that "2 shows nightly" line on the posters, but no one notices the other line... the one that says, "Program Subject To Change".
07/22/2003	hanno	Painoman: "Not until this slap in the face to man who deserves nothing less than our full gratitude and respect is paid for." This last comment totally disqualifies you. Disagreeing with Bear and bringing forth arguments (proof?) that are in favor of the 2-show theory is showing disrespect for the great Owsley, the godfather of all tapers ? Is that what you're saying ? If you really mean that I've already wasted too much time reading your comments. Nobody has "slapped Bear in the face", I really don't see that in anyone's comments. I think you are the one having a problem here.
07/22/2003	danlynch	Its absurd to suggest that there's any question that there were early shows on 5/15/70. The band, specifically Bob, makes mention of the early show when he apologizes for a repeat performance before "Friend of the Devil" in the late show.
07/22/2003	SirPaino	Excellent point Dan! Absurdity noted.
07/22/2003	Diana	Zacherle's intro for the 2-14-70 late show (billed for Sat night): "this is glorious Sunday morning" The Grateful Dead did not take the stage until after midnight... Sunday morning. BTW, no one get any ideas and start submitting entries here for a 2/15/70 Early Show, the 2/70 situation is muddy enough. ;)
07/24/2003	james shamas	Well I read somewhere that with the 3 bands, two shows thing, one band would open the first show and the other band would open the 2nd show. So in this case, Love would have opened the 8:00 show and the Allmans would have opened the 11:00 one.
08/08/2003	Randy	What's one more comment right. I found it very intresting to read all of these but would like to add that THIS SHOW ROCKS. GREAT QUALITY REOCRDING, AND GREAT MUSIC. Lable is how you want but don't hesitate to add this show to your collection.
02/21/2004	Lewis/Klitschko	This sounds like a good source.
10/16/2006	bhairava	FWIW: no one in this debate has handled the evidence in a scientific manner. It's very simple: Bear asserts that though there were usually two shows nightly (see the original BGP program, cited above, that lists many other bands also) the nights the Dead played there was one show (with three bands) starting at 8pm, due to the length of the Dead's shows and the amount of their equipment. Why should we believe him? Several specific reasons: even if he was flying high, he would no doubt remember the total nightmare involved in setting ALL the Dead's equipment, tearing it down again, setting it up AGAIN, and tearing it down again. He also rightly points out that 3 bands times 2 shows equals six sets, and there simply isn't time in the night for that plus set-up and tear-down. Do the math, as he says. I am not a disciple of Bear but his writing shows that though a bit eccentric, he has not yet lost his marbles. Furthermore, we are utterly lacking the one clinching piece of evidence: a ticket stub for a late show on these dates. There is then no evidence to suggest that the early and late shows are not, instead, FIRST and SECOND SETS, and that those who remember attending a 'late show' do so because the Dead went on at about 11pm (normal time for a late show), because they followed TWO OTHER bands, who started after 8pm. NO-ONE remembers seeing the Dead at 9pm, for an early show. AND, if the early/late theory was correct, where are the tapes of ABB late shows? Three bands on the bill, so no chance of BGP having just one of them play a show. Make sense?
10/16/2006	skbarchives	Why doesn't Jay tell us who his "supposed" vault source is. I got this show from David Gans who got it from the vault and David says it's from the Fillmore. I trust David a lot more than I trust Jay.
08/07/2007	wazoo2u	I think that people's recollection of the dates gets a bit confused because the ABB played on SIMILAR dates, a year apart. The Live at The Fillmore Shows were recorded on MARCH 11, 12 & 13 1971. According to the Bill Graham Database, Elvin Bishop opened, and Johnny Winter And was the headliner with ABB doing the middle set. The recording credits for Live At The Fillmore notes 2 shows for those dates. The Dead played the FEBRUARY 11, 13 & 14, 1970 run with Love opening, and the ABB as the middle act. BG Database explicitly states 2 SHOWS for those 3 nights. I was at at least one, and possibly more of these February LATE shows. We got out of the Fillmore at DAWN, cause the ABB played a full set at the late show. I will NEVER forget that night, we floated out of the place. Funny how the memory works tho... I had always thought that the ABB Live... release was from the 1970 dates that I attended. Turns out to be from 1971, and I know that I didn't see those shows.
08/22/2007	charlie miller	Good Lovin' from this show was released as a bonus track for Bear's Choice. The CD says 2/13/70. I trust the GD a bit more than Jay Serrafin.
09/05/2007	charlie miller	There's a video circulating that comes from 2/13/70. It has part of the early show and part of the late show. This video proves that this is actually 2/13/70's early show.
06/01/2008	dscott	Frankly, it's pathetic that there has ever been a debate over this show's date. The Serafin commentary is so patently implausible that anyone with at least a room-temperature IQ would immediately recognize it as bogus. The show is 2/13/70 Early, period. If you believe otherwise, I've got a bridge to sell ya! ;-)
06/01/2008	charlie miller	I have spoken with Bear many times and he is the last person I would ever expect to give accurate info on a show from 1970. btw, I got a bridge to sell too :)
02/23/2009	charlie miller	I just listened to the complete master reel sbd of this set. Jerry comments before casey jones that this is the first show, meaning that there is another show to follow. Obviously, this is 2/13/70's early show.
02/26/2009	mvernon	In readingthis thread again I am reminded of this South Park Dialogue from "Mystery of the Urinal Deuce" Mr. Hardly: Those clues pointed out that all the 9/11 conspiracy theories could be disproven scientifically. And that's when Frank got his biggest clue. Frank: It was huuuge. Mr. Hardly: That all the 9/11 conspiracy Web sites are run by the government. The 9/11 conspiracy... is a government conspiracy. Stan: Aw Jesus... Kyle: Why would the government want people to believe they caused 9/11? Mr. Hardly: For a government to have power, they must appear to have complete control. What better way to make people fear them than to convince them they are capable of the most elaborate plan on earth? Bush: [off-screen] That's quite enough, Hardly! [the camera shows him entering with his staff] Don't believe what he says, boys; we caused 9/11. [brings forth a manila folder] It's all right here in these secret documents, [hugs the folder tight] but you'll never get them. [turns around as he yawns, dropping the folder to the floor behind him. No one picks them up] Kyle: I knew it! You didn't plan 9/11 and you really didn't shoot that guy! Bush: Boys, you don't understand. People need to think we are all-powerful. That we control the world. If they know we weren't in charge of 9/11 then... we appear to control nothing. Kyle: Well why don't you just tell people the truth?! Bush: We do that too. And most people believe the truth. But one fourth of the population is retarded. If they wanna believe we control everything with intricate plans, why not let them?