Source #	131828
Entered by	Matt Vernon
Checksums	ffp , flac-md5
Disc Counts	0 / 0
Media Size
Date Circulated Date Added	11/26/2014 12/02/2014

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• (131812) **24bit** Source: Neumann...
• (131813) **16bit** Source: Neumann...
• (131829) Taper : Steve T  ''AKA'' Little Yellow Bus...
• (131836) Recorded DPA 4021->Sound Devices...

Source Summary
16/44.1 downsampled Tagged Take II 24/96 Richie S. flac > foobar2000 v1.3.5 > 16 bit(no dither, ultra mode at 44.1) > 16b PCM wave > Traders Little Helper v2.7.0 > fixed & flac 8 > tagged with foobar/live show tagger addon > TLH to hash checksums & otherwise noted > you

Phil Lesh and Friends
Capitol Theater
Portchester N.Y
2014-11-21


16/44.1 downsampled retry.

Set 1:
01 crowd tuning
02 Dire Wolf
03 Cumberland Blues
04 Cassidy
05 Bird Song
06 Down by the River
07 China Cat Sunflower
08 I Know You Rider

Set 2:
01 crowd tuning
02 Mississippi Half Step
03 Samson & Delilah
04 Sweet Jane
05 Eyes of the World
06 Shakedown Street
07 Viola Lee Blues v1
08 Jack Straw
09 Viola Lee Blues v2
10 Fire on the Mountain
11 Viola Lee Blues v3
12 donor rap
13 Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad
14 band intro's


Recorded Sound Devices 702->DPA 4021->24/96
Mic Stand 10 Feet High Thank You to Steve
for the clamp on!!!
Recorded and transfered by Richie Stankiewicz
2014-11-23


a redo after some digital discrepancies noticed by some peers/friends at etree in a unanimous decision. not sure what caused it to occur but anomalies do happen sometimes.
new cd audio lineage as follows.

24/96 Richie S. flac > foobar2000 v1.3.5 > 16 bit(no dither, ultra mode at 44.1) > 16b PCM wave > Traders Little Helper v2.7.0 > fixed & flac 8 > tagged with foobar/live show
tagger addon > TLH to hash checksums & otherwise noted > you

split it for 3rd disc after Shakedown Street at Viola Lee Blues v1. thanks goes out to Richie Stankiewicz for this fine recording.
and thanks to Hunter Seamons(for noticing the issues) and every1 else that was patient with me regarding the initial screw up. Happy Thanksgiving All :-)

MisterMojoRising - November 26, 2014 @ 10:40am EST - www.terralrps.org


the Band
Phil Lesh
John K
Dan Leowitz
Al Schnier
Joe Russo
Keller Williams


    length     expanded size    cdr  WAVE problems  fmt   ratio  filename
     8:13.00       86965244 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2101-fixed.wav
     8:02.65       85177724 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2102-fixed.wav
    16:42.40      176846924 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2103-fixed.wav
    11:22.71      120471836 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2104-fixed.wav
    10:50.23      114714140 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2105-fixed.wav
    12:07.36      128327516 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2106-fixed.wav
     5:18.72       56264588 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2107-fixed.wav
     7:21.46       77900636 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2108-fixed.wav
     2:41.34       28480412 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2101-fixed.wav
    13:04.56      138429356 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2102-fixed.wav
     6:15.72       66319388 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2103-fixed.wav
    10:48.55      114436604 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2104-fixed.wav
    17:36.13      186309020 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2105-fixed.wav
    13:41.01      144826796 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2106-fixed.wav
     6:16.40       66420524 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2107-fixed.wav
     9:18.58       98567660 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2108-fixed.wav
     7:27.10       78874364 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2109-fixed.wav
    10:24.22      110125388 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2110-fixed.wav
     1:55.07       20302508 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2111-fixed.wav
     5:32.72       58734188 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2112-fixed.wav
     9:58.61      105630716 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2113-fixed.wav
     2:05.66       22205276 B   ---   --   -----    wav  1.0000  pandf2014-11-2114-fixed.wav
   197:07.20     2086330808 B                            1.0000  (22 files)


"i've kept the previous torrent uploads' conversation as it is too priceless to let go of after deleting the original thread - see below"

kindmeow 2014-11-24 00:26:19
Thank you

hseamons 2014-11-24 00:35:45
+1

madriverrich 2014-11-24 06:19:45
Thank you

MisterMojoRising 2014-11-24 09:52:56
no prob rich & thank you for these. they sound great too. kudos bro :-)

MisterMojoRising 2014-11-24 10:50:42
http://www.terralrps.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=bcaac3238eb1c25acd438922dfa4d9ec97599ca5 - Phil Lesh and Friends 2014-10-31 Capitol Theater.stankiewicz.dpa4021.flac16 going to up it here at the tree in a sec.

MisterMojoRising 2014-11-24 10:53:13
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=576538

RowJimmy1 2014-11-24 11:14:17
Thank You, grate work as usual, it's vet much appreciated. Peace

hseamons 2014-11-24 21:13:35
Am I going crazy? Upon listening to this source, it seems there is some kind of "artifacting" sound that I can't quite place, but it really detracts from the listening experience. Luckily, I sampled the 24 bit version on the Archive and it sounds like it should. Can anybody out there confirm this audible difference between the 16 and 24 bit sources? If there is, it might be worth a retransfer? Thanks for all the hard work, in any case.

MisterMojoRising 2014-11-24 21:50:48
artifacting hunter? not sure what you mean. cdwave 198 & downsampled only. nothing else. i may need to listen again. i played this show today(this downed source on a 5.1 dolby pro logic system, 1000 watts and loud too) and it sounded okay to me. please elaborate on this issue? if there is a prob a redo is definately in the works. apologies if i f**ked it up too.

hseamons 2014-11-24 22:32:16
Yeah, I keep comparing the 16 bit I downloaded with the 24 bit stream on the archive, and there is an immediately apparent difference. I played the files in both Cog and iTunes. A basic A/B comparison between the sources should show the difference. It's like a hazy, compression sound that is affecting the entire recording. This might be totally unrelated, but I have noticed this same type of "artifacting" sound on certain Live Phish downloads over the years that I believe were not processed right. For example, 7/21/13, 9/1/12 and 8/17/12 have this issue, mostly detectable in the vocals, while other nights from the same run sound normal.

hseamons 2014-11-24 23:26:14
Like, check out Half-Step around 5:10, where the "tinny" sound is more prominent. This sound is not on the 24 bit version.

MisterMojoRising 2014-11-25 01:20:47
its after 1am here so if every1 is ok with it & sorry i dipped. me & the mrs had some quality time to watch a movie and such & just be away from the usual, but again if its cool, i can check furthurmore into this issue in the morning after i've slept some? i do better after i nap for 4-6 hrs. it also goes with lack of sleep lately & again if i fugged it up, a redo will definately be in the works manyana. thanks for the heads up HS, appreciated for sure + i trust your judgement truly & geniunely. anyhow i'll check it out more in depth after naptime. hasta luego senors/senoras.

MisterMojoRising 2014-11-25 01:27:48
Duration : 1:57:07.560 (309 915 396 samples)

Avg. bitrate : 828 kbps

Tool : reference libFLAC 1.2.1 20070917

the pertinents for the 2nd set besides the 44.1/16 and no embedded cuesheet present or accounted for.

klite codecs: Codec Tweak Tool | Log file | Generated at 2014-11-25 01:26:16


##### System Information #####

OS: Windows 8.1 Enterprise (6.03.9600) (x64)
DirectX: 9.0c + 10 + 10.1 + 11
CPU name: AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor
CPU speed: 3516 MHz
Memory: 4096 MB
Screen size: 1920x1080 (32bits) (59Hz)
Video card: ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM v1.1)
VendorID: 1002, DeviceID: 9616
Video mem: 256 MB
Video driver: aticfx64 (Version 8.97.10.6) (6-20-2012)
Audio device: High Definition Audio Device
VendorID: 1002, DeviceID: 791a
Audio driver: HdAudio.sys (Version 6.3.9600.16384) (8-22-2013)

if this at all helps. i dont think it will make any difference but...

madriverrich 2014-11-25 08:57:00
Now ya know why i'm a 24 bit kinda guy

MisterMojoRising 2014-11-25 10:44:27
he mentioned the stream though rich. hunter you said stream right? the streams on the archive are lossy aren't they? is it the fact that 24/96 to 16/44.1 will degrade to some extent? but still Hunter... the stream or the actual 24/96 flac. please clarify? i thought about this last night after I signed off but twas too late. I wasn't coming back to the pc till i slept. well im here and wondering

hseamons 2014-11-25 15:23:58
Well, yeah, the 24 bit stream sounded better, so I figured it would sound even better if I downloaded it - which I just did, and it sounds freaking amazing. The 16 bit sounds trash bin worthy. Essentially, the 16 bit should sound like the 24 bit on a basic system that does not even optimize for 24 bit sound reproduction. It should not sound as different as I am hearing it sound. But then again, maybe I'm losing my mind. In any case, I think I'm correct about all this.

MisterMojoRising 2014-11-25 17:16:14
i'll redo it then. lets see if it is a once in a blue thing for me. first time i've seen it discussed since my beginnings in 2001(at etree anyways, meaning being invited to this great community that got my feet & ears wet) i'll get it done by mornings light(if i dont pass out first, lol) and upload it upon completion. thanks hunter, thanks rich & apologies for fuking it up folks.

hseamons 2014-11-25 18:20:07
Well, hopefully you can get another opinion on the matter before doing the legwork. My system might be having issues, or maybe this is something that can happen to the sound that I am unaware of. Not sure what you would need to adjust to fix the issue.

MisterMojoRising 2014-11-25 22:17:12
going to wait till tomorrow to see if anyone else has experienced issues. in the mean time i just shared the garcia 1984 project part 1. some 24+ gigabytes. 43 folders, some 600+ files and every source in circ from January 13 to August 13, 1984 at terralrps. here: http://www.terralrps.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=a98caa22942db343cbefd45ba23795e49873bb88

if anyone has experienced issues here please speak up soon or like tonight so we know its the downsampling and not HS. id prefer to know before spending time(un-needed, possibly) redoing this show?

thanks :-)

hseamons 2014-11-25 23:08:31
FWIW, I ran an experiment and down-sampled a 24 bit track to 16 bit. It sounds just as clean as the 24 bit track, without the slightly hazy, tinny sound.

MisterMojoRising 2014-11-26 00:24:47
hard disk issue here recently discovered. moving the files off the partition for a new go at it manyana. thanks Hunter. hasta manyana senor :-)

hseamons 2014-11-26 00:43:12
GOOD LUCK!