Source #	9127
Entered by	dr.unclear
Checksums	shn-md5 , orig-shn-md5 , st5
Disc Counts	1 / 1
Media Size
Date Circulated Date Added	04/30/02 10/28/2002

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Source Summary
SBD> MR> ??> CDR; via Raoul Duke; Seeded to etree by Matt Vernon; Note- There are two shn sets listed for this show, one 'original' and one 'de-popped'. ONLY 'de-popped' versions circulate for the last two tracks.

Grateful Dead
09/16/66
Avalon Ballroom
San Francisco, California

Source:SBD>MR>??>CDR
Conversion: CDR > EAC(secure) > DePopper(remove clicks) > CDWav (retrack) > mkwact(seekable) mvernon54@attbi.com
Part of The Music Never Stopped Project 2002 shn em up initiative 4/24/2002
Thanks to Raoul Duke for the disks!

Disk 1 [69:16]
Set 1
01. [04:29] I Know You Rider
02. [04:30] It Hurts Me Too
03. [04:58] It's All Over Now Baby Blue
04. [11:11] //Good Mornin' Little Schoolgirl
05. [02:50] Lindy
06. [06:57] Dancin' In The Streets
Encore
07. [18:26] * Midnite Hour *
08. [03:00] Stealin'
09. [12:52] Same Thing


Notes:
1. shntool confirms tracks on sector boundaries
2. source cds were from the DNC Route 66 Tree, Round #4
3. first few notes of Schoolgirl are missing
4. I have seeded versions with and without the DePopper click removal, for those that might prefer the "original lp" sound.

Here is the information on this date from www.deadlists.com

COMMENTS Other artist(s): Oxford Circle. 1st Kelly/Mouse skull & rose.
You can see the Skull & Roses Concert Art at:
http://www.pompano.net/~goodbear/concert_art/09_16-17_66.html
http://www.erols.com/scarletfire/gd60s.gif
Thayer Jennings: My copy (?and possibly the majority of circulating copies?) is from a 'bootleg LP' -- as evidenced by the minor 'needle pops' associated with LPs.
David Sorochty: Off Vintage and Historic LPs. See also the listing for "9/11/66" (same material but from SBD tape source) and for ??/??/66 (Stealin' and Same Thing) for the remaining songs on these albums.

Someone said that "9/16/66" came from a bootleg record and the Sunflower record label that they come from, was a subsidiary of MGM. I read that there was some question or disagreement with the band and MGM as to whether they really did have proper legal permission to put those two albums out. Could those two albums be thought of as semibootlegs?

Jim Powell: Avalon "9/11/66" & "9/16/66"

The MGM Sun LP "Vintage Dead" (Sun-5001) contains

SIDE A: I Know You Rider 4:25, It Hurts Me Too 4:17, It's All Over Now Baby Blue 4:50, Dancin In The Street 7:55; SIDE B: In The Midnight Hour 18:23.

Timings are off the album.

The liner notes describe the material as coming from "The Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco 1966."

This list has always appeared in DeadBase under the date 9/16/66, with a note saying actual date for list unknown."

I have a 45-minute cassette side of this material running from I Know You Rider through the first half or so of Midnight Hour. I got it from a friend up in Portland OR 10 years ago. He won his copy as a prize in a radio contest from a radio show up there called Fillmore Northwest. The tape was described to him as being off the reels of this material, not off the LP -- and that's what it sounds like. The tape he received was dated 9/11/66. As noted, the Midnight Hour from this date also circulates mislabeled with several other dates, including 8/7/66.

RECORDINGS 50 SB(LP), 60 SB(LP). The complete list circulates in SBD. The very beginning of Schoolgirl is clipped with possibly 1-2 s

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Bonus, separate  info file for last 2 filler tracks on d2:
BAND Grateful Dead
VENUE Unknown
CITY Unknown
STATE
DATE ??/??/66

Source:SBD>MR>??>CDR From the Vintage and Historic Dead LPs.

Part of The Music Never Stopped Project 2002 shn em up initiative 4/24/2002
Thanks to Raoul Duke for the disks!

Disk 1 [15:52]
SET1
01. [03:00] Stealin'
02. [12:52] Same Thing

Notes:
1. shntool confirms tracks on sector boundaries
2. from the DNC Route 66 Tree, Round #4
3. The majority of the songs on these LP's are linked under the 9/16/66 date.  These two songs are from a different, unknown date but circulate commonly with the 9/16/66 because they were included on the same bootleg lp.
4. Here is the deadlist comments section for these two songs:

"COMMENTS From the Vintage and Historic Dead LPs. Found on "9/16/66" tapes recorded off vinyl. See "9/11/66" also. Venue: Avalon (?) or Fillmore(?).

RECORDINGS 15 SB (LP)."