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Reel Around The Fountain You've Got Everything Now Miserable Lie These Things Take Time Wonderful Woman Handsome Devil Hand In Glove What Difference Does It Make? I Don't Owe You Anything Suffer Little Children Pretty Girls Make Graves Jeanne

This was the the original Smiths debut album, "The Hand That Rocks the Cradle" ready for release until it was shelved by a record company exec and re-recorded by John Porter giving us simply "The Smiths".

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These Things Take Time What Difference Does It Make The Hand That Rocks The Cradle Handsome Devil Jeane What Do You See In Him? Hand In Glove Miserable Lie

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What Difference Does It Make? Miserable Lie Reel Around the Fountain Handsome Devil

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You've Got Everything Now Accept Yourself What Difference Does It Make? Reel Around The Fountain These Things Take Time I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove The Hand That Rocks The Cradle Handsome Devil Miserable Lie

Supporting The Fall

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You’ve Got Everything Now Accept Yourself What Difference Does It Make? Reel Around The Fountain These Things Take Time I Don’t Owe You Anything Hand In Glove Handsome Devil Miserable Lie

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how soon is now? wonderful woman reel around the fountain miserable lie hand that rocks the cradle you've got everything now handsome devil accept yourself what difference does it make? reel around the fountain wonderful woman these things take time i don't owe you anything hand in glove i don't owe you anything* jeanne*

* with unknown female vocalist

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You've Got Everything Now Handsome Devil Accept yourself Reel Around The Fountain These Things Take Time Miserable Lie

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Handsome devil Reel around the fountain What difference does it make? Wonderful woman These thing take time I don't owe you anything Hand in glove Miserable lie Accept yourself

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You've Got Everything Now Handsome Devil Reel Around The Fountain What Difference Does It Make? Wonderful Woman These Things Take Time Hand In Glove I Don't Owe You Anything

Miserable Lie

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Source: Studio --> ??? --> Bootleg CD "The Hand That Rocks The Cradle" Lineage: Silver CD --> CDex --> WAVs --> FLAC Tracks: 01 - Reel Around The Fountain 02 - You've Got Everything Now 03 - Miserable Lie 04 - These Things Take Time 05 - Wonderful Woman 06 - Handsome Devil 07 - Suffer Little Children 08 - Pretty Girls Make Graves 09 - Hand In Glove 10 - What Difference Does It Make? 11 - I Don't Owe You Anything 12 - Jeane These legendary tracks produced by Troy Tate were intended to make up the Smiths' debut (what we know know as the album "The Smiths"), most likely with the title "The Hand That Rocks The Cradle" (hence the bootleg title these were ripped from). However, this first album never saw the light of day. John Porter was called into the studio to re-record these tracks, and it is Porter's work that comprises the Smiths' debut. Quality is excellent. Some bootleg releases of these demos have the tracks at the wrong speed or pitch; this is not the case here. This is one of the better-sounding releases of these songs you'll find. From the book "THE SMITHS - Songs That Saved Your Life", by Simon Goddard: "By the time The Smiths entered Elephant Studios in Wapping during the summer of '83 for their first major recording session, their confidence had been bosted by two rapturously received BBC sessions for John Peel and David Jensen respectively...... Upon the suggestion of Geoff Travis [Rough Trade label head], former Teardrop Explodes' guitarist Troy Tate...was designated as their producer. "The fate of the Troy Tate sessions -- their first under contract to the label [Rough Trade] -- has since become legend within the Smiths' extraordinary history. After a month of work, fourteen tracks had been recorded in total including "Jeane" which had already been selected as the B-side to their second single scheduled for an autumn release; Tate's mix of "Reel Around The Fountain". After the sessions were wrapped however, events became to take an ominous turn, especially for Tate. "On 25 August The Smiths recorded a second session for David Jensen (their third BBC commission in as many months) which spawned two dramatic consequences. First, the Corporation refused to broadcast the Jensen version of "Reel Around The Fountain" because of the press allegations of paedophilic references. The Tate single was shelved indefinitely. Secondly, that same Jensen session had brought The Smiths into contact with producer John Porter. Geoff Travis, who already had his own concerns over the quality of the Troy Tate tapes, gave a copy to Porter to see if he could help remix the album by way of a final lick and polish. To Travis' dismay, Porter informed the Rough Trade boss that the album they'd recorded in Wapping was "out of tune and out of time." Though he couldn't help "fix" the Tate album, Porter willingly volunteered to remake it from scratch himself. Travis agreed, as did Morrissey. Although he'd previously boasted to _Melody Maker_ that the album they had in the can was perfect only a week before ("we've done everything exactly right and it'll show"), his volte-face, hesitantly seconded by Marr, saw the Tate sessions consigned to the vaults as a failed first draft. Speaking to the _NME_ the following year, Tate stressed "disappointment is not strong enough a word". "Widely available on bootleg, when listening to the Troy Tate album today, Porter's criticisms now seem very dubious. The two producers were poles apart in style and technique or, to quote Andy Rourke, "Troy was lo-fi whereas John was more hi-fi". Yet while Porter played a pivotal role in Marr's apprenticeship in the art of multi-layered production, which in itself pushed The Smiths into a whole other stratosphere of studio innovation, at the other end of the scale Tate captured the thrilling rawness of The Smiths in 1983 in a way that their eventual eponymous debut failed to grasp. Rough around the edges, neat and undiluted, there are many -- Mike Joyce himself and this author included -- who prefer Tate's album to Porter's.... "Rourke philosophically suggests that Tate was made a scapegoat for the band's lack of experience, that Morrissey and Marr "wanted to make this big sounding album the we just weren't capable of doing". He and Joyce also acknowledge the plausible suggestion that Tate's good working relationship Johnny Marr was another key factor in his dismissal; that Morrissey, whose green-eyed repulsion of those who got too close to his songwriting partner would deteriorate considerably over the years that followed, wanted him out..."

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You've Got Everything Now Handsome Devil Reel Around The Fountain What Difference Does It Make? Wonderful Woman These Things Take Time Hand In Glove I Don't Owe You Anything Miserable Lie Accept Yourself

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You've Got Everything Now Handsome Devil Reel Around the Fountain What Difference Does It Make? Wonderful Woman These Things Take Time Hand In Glove I Don't Owe You Anything Miserable Lie Accept Yourself

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Reel Around The Fountain What Difference Does It Make? Wonderful Woman These Things Take Time I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove Miserable Lie Accept Yourself Hand In Glove

Available on the bootleg Wonderful Woman. Missing first two tracks (You've Got Everthing Now & Handsome Devil) though.

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Reel Around The Fountain You've Got Everything Now Miserable Lie These Things Take Time Wonderful Woman Handsome Devil Suffer Little Children Pretty Girls Make Graves Hand In Glove What Difference Does It Make? I Don't Owe You Anything Jeane

*These legendary tracks produced by Troy Tate were intended to make up the Smiths' debut (what we know know as the album "The Smiths"), most likely with the title "The Hand That Rocks The Cradle"

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You've Got Everything Now Handsome Devil What Difference Does It Make? Reel Around The Fountain These Things Take Time I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove Miserable Lie

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You've Got Everything Now What Difference Does It Make? Handsome Devil Wonderful Woman Reel Around The Fountain These Things Take Time I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove Miserable Lie Accept Yourself Hand In Glove Handsome Devil

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You've Got Everything Now What Difference Does It Make? Handsome Devil Wonderful Woman Reel Around The Fountain These Things Take Time I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove Miserable Lie Accept Yourself Hand In Glove

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Handsome Devil You've Got Everything Now These Things Take Time This Charming Man Reel Around The Fountain Miserable Lie Still Ill I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove What Difference Does It Make Accept Yourself Hand In Glove Handsome Devil

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You've Got Everything Now What Difference Does It Make? Handsome Devil Wonderful Woman Reel Around The Fountain These Things Take Time I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove Miserable Lie Accept Yourself Hand In Glove Handsome Devil

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You've Got Everything Now What Difference Does It Make? Pretty Girls Make Graves Handsome Devil Wonderful Woman Reel Around The Fountain Miserable Lie These Things Take Time I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove Accept Yourself Hand In Glove Handsome Devil

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Handsome Devil You've Got Everything Now These Things Take Time This Charming Man Reel Around The Fountain Miserable Lie Still Ill I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove What Difference Does It Make? Accept Yourself Hand In Glove Handsome Devil

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Pretty Girls Make Graves Wonderful Woman Miserable Lie Reel Around The Fountain I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove What Difference Does It Make? These Things Take Time Hand In Glove

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You've Got Everything Now This Charming Man Handsome Devil Still Ill Reel Around The Fountain Pretty Girls Make Graves Miserable Lie I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove What Difference Does It Make? These Things Take Time Hand In Glove Accept Yourself

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You've Got Everything Now This Charming Man Handsome Devil Still Ill Reel Around The Fountain Pretty Girls Make Graves Miserable Lie I Don't Owe You Anything Hand In Glove What Difference Does It Make?

These Things Take Time Hand In Glove (again)

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Still Ill These Things Take Time This Charming Man What Difference Does It Make? This Night Has Opened My Eyes Pretty Girls Make Graves Miserable Lie Reel Around The Fountain Hand In Glove Handsome Devil

You've Got Everything Now Hand In Glove (again)

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Handsome Devil Still Ill This Charming Man What Difference Does It Make? Pretty Girls Make Graves This Night Has Opened My Eyes Hand In Glove Reel Around The Fountain Miserable Lie You've Got Everything Now Hand In Glove

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Handsome Devil Still Ill This Charming Man Pretty Girls Make Graves Miserable Lie This Night Has Opened My Eyes What Difference Does It Make? Reel Around The Fountain Hand In Glove

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Handsome Devil Still Ill This Charming Man What Difference Does It Make This Night Has Opened My Eyes Pretty Girls Make Graves Hand In Glove Reel Around The Fountain These Things Take Time Miserable Lie Accept Yourself This Charming Man You've Got Everything Now Hand In Glove

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Handsome Devil Still Ill This Charming Man Pretty Girls Make Graves This Night Has Opened My Eyes What Difference Does It Make? Hand In Glove Reel Around The Fountain Miserable Lie

Accept Yourself This Charming Man

You've Got Everything Now

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Handsome Devil Still Ill This Charming Man Pretty Girls Make Graves This Night Has Opened My Eyes What Difference Does It Make? Wonderful Woman Hand In Glove Reel Around The Fountain Miserable Lie

You've Got Everything Now This Charming Man

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Handsome Devil Still Ill This Charming Man Pretty Girls Make Graves Reel Around The Fountain Miserable Lie This Night Has Opened My Eyes What Difference Does It Make? Hand In Glove You've Got Everything Now These Things Take Time This Charming Man Accept Yourself Hand In Glove

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Handsome Devil Still Ill This Charming Man Pretty Girls Make Graves Reel Around The Fountain What Difference Does It Make? Miserable Lie This Night Has Opened My Eyes Hand In Glove You've Got Everything Now Back To The Old House These Things Take Time Accept Yourself This Charming Man

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Handsome Devil Still Ill This Charming Man Pretty Girls Make Graves Reel Around the Fountain What Difference Does It Make Miserable Lie This Night Has Opened My Eyes Hand in Glove These Things Take Time You've Got Everything Now

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DERBY ASSEMBLY ROOM handsome devil still ill this charming man pretty girls make graves reel around the fountain what difference does it make? miserable lie this night has opened my eyes hand in glove these things take time you've got everything now

WHISTLE TEST INTERVIEW in studio with the smiths, includes the songs: that joke isn't funny anymore and i want the one i can't have

Approximate Running Time: 75 minutes

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Hand In Glove Still Ill Barbarism Begins At Home This Night Has Opened My Eyes Pretty Girls Make Graves You've Got Everything Now This Charming Man Back To The Old House Reel Around The Fountain Handsome Devil Accept Yourself

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01 Miserable Lie (Peel session, broadcast 6/1/83) 02 What Difference Does It Make? (TV session, Y.E.S. 2/9/84) 03 This Night Has Opened My Eyes (TV session, Y.E.S. 2/9/84) 04 Hand In Glove (live on The Tube, 3/16/84) 05 Still Ill (live on The Tube, 3/16/84) 06 Barbarism Begins At Home (live on The Tube, 3/16/84) 07 Still Ill (excerpt) / This Charming Man (excerpt, acoustic) / Hand In Glove (excerpt) (live on Datarun, 4/7/84) 08 Jeane (acoustic) (Johnny Marr and Sandie Shaw live on Splat! (Charlie's Bus), 4/84) 09 Bigmouth Strikes Again (live on The Old Grey Whistle Test, 5/20/86) 10 Vicar In A Tutu (live on The Old Grey Whistle Test, 5/20/86) 11 There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (live on The EuroTube, 7/5/86) 12 Panic (live on The EuroTube 7/5/86) 13 Sheila Take A Bow (live on The Tube, 4/10/87 **last ever live performance**) 14 Shoplifters Of The World Unite (live on The Tube, 4/10/87 **last ever live performance**)

Filler: Soundcheck, Eden Court, Inverness, Scotland 10/1/85: 15 Hand In Glove 16 Rock 'N' Roll Part II (instrumental jam) 17 Unloveable #1 18 Unloveable #2 19 There Is A Light That Never Goes Out

Source: "Unloveable" silver bootleg CD (Chelsea Records CFC002)

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Miscellaneous studio/radio/live tracks: 01 How Soon Is Now? (JOHN PEEL SESSION 9/8/84) 02 What Do You See In Him? (HACIENDA, MANCHESTER 4/2/83, Early Version of Wonderful Woman) 03 Reel Around The Fountain (ALTERNATIVE TROY TATE MIX) 04 Miserable Lie (ALTERNATIVE TATE MIX) 05 The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (ALTERNATIVE TATE MIX) FIGHTING COCKS, BIRMINGHAM 3/6/83 (Mixing Desk Sourced): 06 You've Got Everything Now 07 Handsome Devil 08 Accept Yourself 09 What Difference Does It Make? 10 Reel Around The Fountain 11 Wonderful Woman 12 These Things Take Time 13 I Don't Owe You Anything 14 Hand In Glove

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Reel Around the Fountain You've Got Everything Now Miserable Lie Pretty Girls Make Graves Accept Yourself The Hand that Rocks the Cradle Handsome Devil Wonderful Woman Hand in Glove What Difference Does It Make? Jeanne I Don't Owe You Anything Suffer Little Children

As promised a while back, here's the Troy Tate rare mix. These are different from the common Troy Tate Sessions that are on about a dozen widely circulated bootlegs. About 6 of these tracks have shown up on a couple bootlegs (Wonderful Woman and Reel Around the Fountain). Here is the complete set of them that I acquired on DAT in a trade about 10 years ago.

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Reel Around the Fountain You've Got Everything Now Miserable Lie Pretty Girls Make Graves Accept Yourself The Hand that Rocks the Cradle Handsome Devil Wonderful Woman Hand in Glove What Difference Does It Make? Jeanne I Don't Owe You Anything Suffer Little Children

As promised a while back, here's the Troy Tate rare mix. These are different from the common Troy Tate Sessions that are on about a dozen widely circulated bootlegs. About 6 of these tracks have shown up on a couple bootlegs (Wonderful Woman and Reel Around the Fountain). Here is the complete set of them that I acquired on DAT in a trade about 10 years ago.

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